On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to former US Assistant Secretary of Defense Dr. Lawrence Korb. In an at times heated discussion, Afshin Rattansi challenges Korb on the Russia-NATO proxy war in Ukraine, why the US would risk nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine, Western Europe’s economic decline, the implosion of the idea of a US-led rules-based order with the Gaza genocide, the history of US foreign policy disasters from Vietnam to Ukraine, and much more.